74. The following replies were given by the spirit of Saint Louis ; they have
since been confirmed by many others: - *
I. Is the universal fluid an emanation of the Divinity?
2. Is it a creation of the Divinity?
"All is created, except God."
3. Is the universal fluid the universal element
"Yes, it is the elementary principle of all things."
4. Has it any relation to the electric fluid, the effects of which we know?
"It is its element."
5. What is the state in which the universal fluid presents itself to us in its
"To find it in its absolute simplicity, we must trace it up to the spirits who are
completely purified ; in your world it is always more or less modified for the formation
of the compact matter which encompasses you; but what you call the animal-magnetic
fluid is the universal fluid in the simplest state in which it can be known to you."
6. It has been said that the universal fluid is the source of life ; is it also the
source of intelligence ?
No ; this fluid only vitalises matter."
7. The fluid of which the perispirit is composed appears to exist, in connexion
with our earth, in a state of condensation which identifies it, up to a certain point, with
matter," properly so called. Is it so?
"Yes but only, as you say, up to a certain point; for it has not all the properties
of matter; it is more or less condensed, according to the nature of each world."
8. How does a spirit effect the movement of a solid body?
"He combines a portion of the universal fluid with the fluid which is thrown off
to this end by the medium."
9. Do spirits raise tables with the aid of their limbs rendered solid by some
process known to them?
"Our answer to this question will not give you the confirmation you are wishing
for. When a table moves under your hands, the spirit who is acting upon it draws from
the universal fluid the means of vitalising this table with artificial life. The table being
thus prepared, the spirit attracts it, and moves it, under the influence of his own fluid,
thrown off by an exertion of his will. When
the mass which he desires to move is too heavy for the spirit, he calls to his aid other
spirits, of the same degree as himself; On account of his ethereal nature, a spirit cannot
act upon gross matter without an intermediary, that is to say, without the link which
unites spirit to matter; this link, which is what you call the perispirit, gives you the key
to all the materialised spirit-phenomena. I think I have expressed myself clearly enough
to be understood."
Remark. - We would call attention to tills first phrase : -" Our answer to this
question will not give you the confirmation you are wishing for." The spirit evidently
understood what we were driving at, and that all our previous questions had been put in
order to lead up to it. He therefore alluded to our thought, which, in fact, anticipated an
answer very different from the one we got; for, what we had expected was tile
confirmation of our own idea with regard to the manner in which spirits move tables
and other objects.
10. When a spirit calls other spirits to his aid, are they his inferiors ?-are they
under his orders?
"They are almost always his equals; and they often come of their own accord."
11. Are all spirits capable of producing phenomena of this kind ?
"The spirits who produce effects of this kind are always inferior spirits, who are
not yet entirely disengaged from material influences."
12. We can understand that superior spirits do not occupy themselves with
things beneath them ; but we wish to ask, whether, being more dematerialised than the
others, they would have the power of producing such effects, if they wished to do so?
"They have moral force, as the others have physical force ; when they want the
latter, they make use of those who possess it. Have you not been told that they make
use of inferior spirits as you make use of porters?"
Remark - It has been said that tile density of the perispirit, if one may so express
it, varies according to the condition of each world but it appears that it also varies, in
the same world, according to the
state of each individual. In the case of spirits who are advanced morally, it is more
subtle, and approaches nearer to that of the higher spirits ; with spirits of lower degree,
on the contrary, it approaches to the condition of matter, and this Is why low spirits
retain terrestrial illusions for so long a time. Such spirits think and act just as if they
were still in the flesh ; they have the same desires, we might almost say, the same
sensualities. This grossness of the perispirit, giving it more affinity with matter, renders
the inferior spirits more fit for physical manifestations. It is, with spirits, just as it is
with a man who, in this world, is accustomed to working with his intellect, and whose
body, being therefore more delicate, cannot carry a heavy burden, like a porter. Tire
matter of such a man's body is somewhat less compact, and, his organs having less of
the nervous fluid, he has less power of resistance. The perispirit being to the spirit what
the body is to the man, and its density being in proportion to the spirit's inferiority, it
replaces, in lower spirits, the muscular force possessed by men of corresponding degree
; that is to say, it gives them the denser kinds of fluids that are necessary for the
physical manifestations, and thus gives them more power to produce such
manifestations than is possessed by those whose nature is more ethereal. If an elevated
spirit desires to produce effects of this character, he does just what is done, here, by
people who are delicate ; he gets it done by spirits whose quality fits them for that kind
13. If we have rightly understood what you have told us, the vital principle
resides in the universal fluid; the spirit draws from this fluid the semi-material envelope
which constitutes his perispirit, and it is by means of this envelope that he acts upon
inert matter. Is this so?
"Yes ; that is to say, he temporarily vitalises matter with a kind of factitious life,
causing it to live, for a time, as it does in an animal body. When a table moves under
your hands, the matter of which it is composed lives, for the time being, as matter lives
in a body of flesh; that is to say, it spontaneously obeys the intelligent being who
employs it. Intelligent beings do not move matter, as a man moves an object exterior to
himself; matter moves of itself; under the impulsion of the intelligent will with which it
is associated. So, when the table moves, it is not the spirit who moves it with his arms;
it is the temporarily vitalised matter of the table that spontaneously obeys the impulsion
communicated to it by the spirit."
14. What part does the medium play in the production of this phenomenon?
"I have told you that the fluid of the medium is combined with the universal
fluid accumulated by the spirit. The union of these two fluids, that is to say, of the
animalised fluid with the universal fluid, is necessary to give life to the table. But you
must remember that this factitious life is only momentary; it ceases with the cessation
of the spirit-action which produced it, and often before the cessation of that action, if
the supply of fluid becomes insufficient to maintain it."
15. Can a spirit act on matter without the joint action of a medium?
"A spirit can act without the medium being aware of it; many persons serve as
auxiliaries to spirits, in certain phenomena, without their suspecting it The spirit draws
from them, as from a well, the animalised fluid that he requires ; * and this is why the
concurrence of a medium, as you understand it, is not always necessary, especially in
the case of spontaneous phenomena."
16. Does the table act with a knowledge of what it is about ?-does it think?
"It no more thinks than does the stick with which you make an intelligent sign;
but the vitality with which it is momentarily endowed permits it to obey the impulsion
of an intelligence. The table which moves does not turn into a spirit; it has not of itself
either thought or will."
17. What is the preponderating cause in the production of these phenomena; is it
the spirit or the fluid?
"The spirit is the Cause, the fluid is the instrument; both are necessary."
18. What part does the will of the medium play in this case?
"That of calling the spirits, and seconding them in the impulsion given by them
to the fluid."
-Is the action of the medium's will always indispensable?
"It adds to the power of the spirits, but it is not always necessary, for a given
movement may be made to take place, against, and in spite of; the medium's will; which
is a proof that there is a cause at work that is independent of the medium."
Remark. - The contact of hands is not always necessary to make an object move.
Such contact is needed, in most cases, to give the first impulsion ; but, when once the
object is vitalised, it can obey the will without material contact; this depends either on
the power of the medium or on the nature of the object. A first contact, even, is not
always indispensable; we have proof of this in the spontaneous movements and
displacements that occur without any one having thought of obtaining them.
19. How is it that every one cannot produce the same effects, and why have not
all mediums the same power?
"That depends on the Organisation, and on the greater or less facility with which
the combination of fluids can be effected; moreover, the spirit of the medium
sympathises sometimes more, sometimes less, with the disincarnate spirits, who do, or
do not, find in him the necessary fluidic power It is with this fluid as with that of
magnetisers ; it is more or less powerful. There are persons whose animalised fluids
are, in this respect, absolutely refractile; with others, the combination is only effected
by an effort of their will ; while there are others, again, with whom the combination
takes place naturally, and so easily that they are not even aware of it, and who thus
serve as mediums without knowing it, as we have already said." (See, farther on, the
chapter on Spontaneous Manifestations.)
Remark. - Magnetism is undoubtedly the principle of spirit-phenomena, but not
in the way generally supposed ; for there are very powerful magnetisers who cannot
move the smallest table, while there are persons, and even children, who cannot
magnetise, and who yet, by only placing their fingers upon a heavy table, can make it
move and therefore, as the medianimic power is not always proportioned to the
magnetic power, it is evident that some other condition is required for the production of
20. Are persons who are called "electrical" to be regarded as mediums?
"Those persons draw to themselves the fluid necessary for the production of the
phenomena, and are able to act without extraneous help. They are, therefore, not
mediums, in the sense you attach to the word; but it is quite possible that a spirit may
also assist them, and make use of their natural idiosyncrasy."
Remark. - It would seem to be with persons of this description as with
somnambulists, who can act with or without the assistance of spirits. (See, in the chap.
on Mediums, the article relating to Somnanbulic Mediums)
21. Is the spirit who acts on solid bodies, when he moves them, inside or outside
"He may be in or out of it; we have told you that matter is no obstacle to spirits;
they penetrate everything; a portion of their perispirit identifies itself; so to say, with the
object it penetrates."
22. How does a spirit manage to rap? does he make use of a material object?
"No more than he makes use of his arms to move a table. You are well aware
that he has no hammer at his disposal. His tool is the combined fluid put in action by
his will, whether he moves an object, or whether he raps upon it. When he moves a
body, the light shows you the movements; when he raps, the air conveys to you the
23. We can understand that it may be so, when he raps on a hard body; but how
does he cause us to hear raps, or even articulate sounds, in the air?
"Since he can act on matter, he can act upon the air as well as upon a table. As
to articulate sounds, he can imitate them like other sounds."
24. You tell us that a spirit does not make use of his hands in moving a table;
nevertheless, in certain visual manifestations, we have seen hands appear, the fingers of
which ran over the keyboard of a musical instrument, struck the keys, and produced
audible sounds. Was there not, in such cases, every appearance of the movement of the
keys being produced by the pressure of the fingers? - Is not this pressure as direct and
as real as when we feel these fingers upon ourselves, and when these hands actually
leave their impress on our skin?
"You cannot comprehend the nature of spirits, and their manner of acting,
except by comparisons which give you but an incomplete idea of them; and you are
wrong to be always wanting to assimilate their ways of proceeding with yours. Spirits
can only work in the way that is in keeping with their organisation. Have we not told
you that the fluid of the perispirit penetrates matter and identifies itself with the matter
it penetrates, vitalising it, for the time being, with a factitious life? Well when the
spirit places his fingers on the keys, he really places them there, and what is more, he
moves them; but it is by no muscular force that he presses on the key; he vitalises the
key, as he vitalises the table, and the key obeys his will, moves itself, and strikes the
string. And there is, yet further, in some cases of this kind, something to be remarked
which you will find it difficult to understand, viz., that there are spirits so little
advanced, and so material, as compared with elevated spirits, that they still retain the
illusions of terrestrial life, and imagine themselves to be acting as they did when in the
body. They no more understand the real cause of the effects which they themselves
produce, than the peasant understands the laws of acoustics by which he articulates. If
you ask such spirits how they play on the piano, they will tell you that they strike it with
their fingers, because they suppose themselves to do so; the effect is
produced by them instinctively, without their knowing how, and yet it is really
produced by an action of their will. When they cause you to hear words pronounced,
they do it in the same way."
Remark. - From these explanations it appears that spirits can produce all the
effects that we ourselves can produce, but that they do so by the use of means
appropriate to their organisation. Certain forces, peculiar to themselves, replace the
muscles which are necessary to us in our manipulations ; just as, with the dumb man, a
gesture replaces the words which he is unable to articulate.
25. Among the phenomena adduced as proofs of occult power, there are some
which are evidently Contrary to all the known laws of nature; does not doubt appear to
be reasonable in regard to such?
"Man is far from knowing all the laws of nature ; if he knew them all, he would
be superior to humanity. Every day disproves the pretensions of those who, believing
they know everything, would assign limits to nature; and yet they remain as much
puffed up as ever. By incessantly unveiling new mysteries, God warns man to distrust
his own acquirements ; for a day will come when the science of the most learned will be
confounded. * Have you not constantly before your eyes examples of bodies propelled
by an impulsion capable of counteracting the force of gravity? - Does not a bullet, fired
into the air, momentarily surmount that force? Poor human beings, who think
yourselves so very wise, but whose absurd vanity is upset every instant, try to
understand that you are, as yet, but very ignorant little creatures!"